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Is "you do it, too" a proper defense of an improper action?

Posted in: enart.nnmj.com Date: March 11th, 2010

  • For instance, if you believe we should drive fuel efficient vehicles to lower our need for oil, and you buy a very efficient car while telling others they should do the same, would it be proper for those others to call you a hypocrite because, no matter the mileage you're getting, you're still using gas so your hybrid is no better than their v-8 truck?


  • Are they saying it as a reason of defense or are they just pointing out the ironic faults of the originator?

    Either way, it's pretty adolescent.


  • Hybrids cars aren't all they are cracked up to be. But if I can recycle plastics, glass, aluminium from my house and compost fruit and veg leftovers and insulate my home and walk to the shops and go easy on fuel, I expect America and China to get off their *** and do something about the colossal destruction of the environment they have caused (and show no sign of letting up on)


  • no but it could be true...


  • Pointing towards someone else's bad behavior to excuse your bad behavior is never reasonable.


  • no, it is not.


  • Do as I say, not do as I do.

    An example needs to be set, however.

    (That's a defense, but it sucks and isn't proper. You're avoiding the question.)

    "no matter the mileage you're getting, you're still using gas so your hybrid is no better than their v-8 truck?"
    I don't think that's reasonable. You're using lesser petrol and travelling the same distance, so it isn't hypocritical.


  • No. It is merely face saving.


  • If I jump off a bridge onto a bed of nails because you did, surely it's alright.

    It's a defense, albeit not a very good one. If an action is improper at all, then it ought not be done. Humanity, though, has a knack for messing up, primarily because we've evolved a sense and a culture of morals.

    A better defense would involve a discussion of ramifications and backlashes an improper action would have.


  • No, it's an example of an "Ad Hominem Tu Quoque" logical fallacy.


  • Sometimes I think it can be a proper defence. Example one question recently said atheists do Christians judge you. I answered all people including atheist judge and cited a few examples. However to give a fuller answer I don't believe all judging is bad or wrong and again I believe we all do it. Example would anyone allow a convicted paedophile to babysit their kids? If not then we are judging. I am however not sentencing anyone to hell I am judging them to be untrustworthy to babysit my kids if I had any.


  • No, should not mock or brag, but the Primus cost/is harder/requires more on/of the enviroment that a regular car even though it takes less gas.


  • Would this fall under the two wrongs don't make a right clause?







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